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March 11, 2010

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Eric J

"My fear is that many would be "comfortable" with Matthew 23:15 because they wouldn't be able to recognize a legalistic hypocrite because they look SO GOOD on the outside. I'm not sure how to verbalize it, but I wonder how we guard against a new believer becoming a legalist that looks "right" but doesn't have a heart for God."

The best way to guard the hearts of new believers is to focus on the hearts of Christians.

Legalism runs rampant within our community--funny how it always seems to be the "other" guy or gal though.

Mark Nelson

This is the man at church who's decked out in a suit and tie (oh, and cheating on his wife) reprimanding the teenager who comes to church in blue jeans for being "irreverent".

God help us to remain sensitive to our own spiritual needs!

michele

I have appreciated these conversations! and I keep coming back to one of my favorite scriptures...

Collossians 4
2 Devote yourselves to PRAYER, being WATCHFUL and THANKFUL. 3 And pray for us, too, that God may open a door!!
4 Pray that I may proclaim it clearly, as I should. 5 Be WISE in the way you act toward OUTSIDERS; make the MOST of every opportunity.
6 Let your conversation be always FULL of GRACE , seasoned with SALT, so that you may know HOW to answer everyone!!


Being devoted to prayer, God IS going to deal with everything in us that is not of Him, especially the attitudes of our heart. Whether it be fear, legalism, hypocrisy, judgement, self righteousness, false humility, ect ect..aren't all of these things really stumbling blocks to our minstry to others???
When we have the heart of God, won't we begin to see the lost through His eyes?? and respond in a way that honors Him???

michele

.....continued
I realized that I left out a really important part of the scripture....

so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in chains.

Paul wrote all of this from a place that
was not comfortable!!

Jan F

David -
Amen - well said.

Harlan

Well, you know how I feel about legalism . . . I almost wonder if the 2 passages are almost tied together in some fashion? What I think is that they both warn of "shallowness". Legalism is a "Christianity" of control, manipulation, and conformity. I think it's primary characteristic is it seeks to produce "like-kind" believers in a short amount of time. Most likely because the legalistic view lacks an accurate vision of God, his Grace, and His Word. It lacks grace and patience. It can produce quick "results" that can easily destroy an immature heart. Grace, patience, and love are the required nurturing elements for the long walk ahead of us. For those of us that have walked "the other road" and have overcome horrid problems and addictions through His love there is that strange undeniable transformation in some cases that help us to never look back. I stopped the things I did overnight. I take no credit, but I was able to walk away from two of the most perilous addictions almost as if a light switch were flipped. I've never looked back and I've never had to fight those battles again. That leads me to believe there is a vast amount of power we must recognize and relinquish into God's transforming hands. And there is a certain amount of faith, love and patience we must use to nurture, strengthen, and yes, reach out and help those who may stumble along the way. "His love endures forever."

Harlan

Legalism: "These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion . . . . but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh." Colossians 2:23

Mark

From the statement "That was great, but we are going to have to work hard to keep them away from those old habits and lifestyles," I wonder if there may be a misunderstanding in what the person meant. Maybe the comparison is better with Matt 13:7-8:

"Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."

Maybe the person that made the comment was thinking more about how the community helps to keep someone from getting choked off and to surround those people who want to help them follow God, not just get them to obey some rules. I can see their statement as a critique of the community they are in more then the individual themselves, are the they surrounded by the thorns or by others who are in good soil.

Jesus also tells the crowd and his disciples to obey the Pharisees in Matt 23:3, however he criticizes their lack of justice, mercy and faithfulness.

David F

I think that religiosity/legalism is one of the sneakiest, destructive and easiest to fall into threats to real Christianity. Both in the life of the ‘Christian’ and in what it says to the unbeliever about who God is as the unbeliever observers and is affected by the ‘Christian’.

God grant you grace and wisdom as you address this challenging subject. I pray for you.

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